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  "full_text": "Case 1:19-cr-00490-RMB Document 36 Filed 07/24/19 Page 40 of 74 40\n1 time I would have said -- and I will say it now -- as you\n2 pointed out, what I said the other day at our conference is\n3 that when we get to the bail issue, we're going to have\n4 conversations and discussions that sound like merits\n5 discussions, and they aren't.\n6 And I very much agree with you that the presumption of\n7 innocence everybody has to bear in mind, although sometimes\n8 it's a little difficult when we have these conversations to\n9 separate them out.\n10 It's just fundamental that Mr. Epstein is presumed to\n11 be innocent now and until such time, if it comes, that a jury\n12 or a court makes a determination of guilt. So we always have\n13 to remind ourselves of that, even though we're having these\n14 conversations that seem to touch on merits discussions.\n15 Back to Judge Pickholz, she says, among other things,\n16 but the board found a level 3. Then she goes on to say: \"I\n17 have to tell you, I'm a little overwhelmed because I have never\n18 seen the prosecutor's office do anything like this. I have\n19 never seen it.\"\n20 So I read it today. It came up, and I thought I'd\n21 share it with all of you. She's suggesting, although you're\n22 making plausible legal arguments, that there is really no\n23 basis, at least in her opinion, to reduce the level from level\n24 3 to level 1.\n25 What is the practical difference between a 3 and a 1\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\nDOJ-OGR-00000550",
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