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  "full_text": "Case 1:20-cv-00338-PAE Document 616-1 Filed 02/24/22 Page 24 of 67 A-5639 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., February 15, 2012 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 117 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 119 1 was crazy talk? 1 A. I can't dispute if you're reading from the transcript, sir. 2 MR. OKULA: Objection. 2 So -- 3 A. No, I'm not a psychologist. 3 Q. I'm asking if you remember saying it. 4 THE COURT: Sustained. 4 A. If you're reading from the transcript then I said it. It 5 Q. Can you explain the connection, if any, between what you 5 doesn't matter, I guess, if I remember it or not. But I recall 6 said about Judge Pauley receiving another Clinton appointment 6 that. 7 and the matters that were going to be discussed? 7 Q. You do recall? 8 A. No. 8 A. Vaguely. 9 Q. And did you have any special insight when you said \"it's 9 Q. Now, would you agree with me in your career as a lawyer 10 not going to happen\" that Judge Pauley would not receive 10 that it is an uncommon response for a person ordered by a judge 11 another appointment? 11 to appear in court to testify to say no, I'm not going to do 12 A. No. 12 that? 13 Q. Now, when you came to the hearing on December 20th, did you 13 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. 14 understand that you had been compelled to come to that hearing 14 THE COURT: Overruled. 15 by having an order served on you at your home? 15 A. Could you please repeat the question? 16 A. Yes, I had a subpoena served upon me. 16 Q. Based on your experience as a lawyer, would you agree with 17 Q. By two deputy U.S. marshals, correct? 17 me that your conduct in responding to the judge's instructions 18 A. I believe so, yes. 18 by saying you were not going to appear was unusual? 19 Q. And you understood that you had to obey that order, 19 A. I'm not a psychologist. I don't know. I don't know how to 20 correct? 20 answer you, sir. 21 A. Yes, sir. 21 Q. Well, you are a lawyer, correct? 22 Q. And you understood that you couldn't leave, correct, till 22 A. No. I was. 23 Judge Pauley told you you could leave? 23 Q. Have you been disbarred? 24 A. I don't really know what that means. 24 A. No. 25 Q. Well, do you remember telling the deputy clerk at that time 25 Q. So you're a suspended lawyer? C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 118 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 120 1 that your time was being wasted and you were going to walk out 1 A. Correct. 2 of the courtroom? 2 Q. You had legal training? 3 A. No, I don't. 3 A. Yes. We went to law school. 4 Q. Did you do that? 4 Q. How many times have you ever heard a person ordered by a 5 A. If I told you I don't remember, how can you ask me the next 5 judge to appear and testify say \"I'm not going to\"? 6 question? 6 A. I have no idea. 7 Q. Did Judge Pauley explain to you at that hearing you're 7 Q. It might happen all the time? 8 ordered to appear as a witness at a hearing on February 15th 8 A. I don't know how to answer your question, sir. 9 concerning your role as a juror in United States v. Daugerdas? 9 Q. Would you agree that that is not -- to tell a federal 10 A. I don't specifically recall him. 10 judge, and I quote, \"I'm not showing up\" when you've been 11 Q. Do you recall something like that? 11 ordered to show up is conduct that is not rational? 12 A. Yes, sir. 12 A. I am not a psychologist. I am not part of the disciplinary 13 Q. And do you recall that your response, or do you recall that 13 committee, so I don't know how to answer your question, sir. 14 later in that hearing he told you again you're going to have to 14 Q. Do you know what the word \"rational\" means? 15 testify at a hearing. Do you recall that? 15 A. I'm not a psychologist. There are variations that are 16 A. Not specifically, no. 16 shades of gray. 17 Q. Do you recall that your initial response to being told that 17 Q. Have you ever been treated for a mental illness? 18 you had to appear at a hearing is to say, \"No, I don't. No, 18 A. I'm not going to answer this. 19 no, no\"? 19 THE COURT: You are directed to answer it. 20 A. If you're reading from the transcript, then that's what I 20 A. No. 21 said, sir. 21 Q. Ma'am, has anybody ever told you that you suffer from 22 Q. And do you recall that when the Judge gave you instructions 22 bipolar disorder? 23 about retaining a lawyer you said, and I quote, \"For what? I'm 23 A. Not at all. 24 no, I'm not. I'm not going to court for anything. I'm not 24 Q. What medications do you take? 25 testifying for anything, sir.\" Do you remember saying that? 25 A. Water. Page 117 - Page 120 (30) SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS DOJ-OGR-00009243",
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