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  "full_text": "Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 467 Filed 11/15/21 Page 118 of 158 118 LBAGmax4 Rocchio - Cross interest in their professional development. That's not grooming, is it? A. No. Q. And the same would be true for grandparents; right? Taking a positive interest in your grandchildren, taking them to the zoo, buying them presents, being there for them, reading them books, having them sit on your lap, none of that would be considered grooming behavior unless it's for an improper sexual purpose; correct? A. Correct. Q. And the only way that you can back into this grooming opinion is if you assume that the conduct that's being done is being done for an improper sexual purpose; correct? A. Well, it's not an assumption. It's part of the definition. So if I'm looking at the dynamics of sexual abuse, then of course I'm looking at the behaviors that occurred in the context of that relationship. Q. And it assumes that sexual abuse occurred; correct? A. No. The definition says that it's for the purposes of sexual exploitation or abuse, but that could be attempted. It doesn't necessarily have to have occurred. Q. So it assumes that it's either attempted sexual abuse or actual sexual abuse or exploitation; correct? A. Yes. Q. And you're not there physically when any of these behaviors SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR-00007297",
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