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  "full_text": "Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 747 Filed 08/10/22 Page 52 of 228 728 LC2VMAX2 Rocchio - Direct 1 (At sidebar) 2 THE COURT: This is grooming by third-party involvement. They called it grooming by proxy. It is a specific area that I precluded in my opinion. That was the only -- in the Daubert, the only questions that were asked about whether there might be someone else who receives the sexual gratification was in the context of that precise issue. We talked about it in the context of testimony in the pimp-prostitute context, and it was litigated entirely on that question, and that's where I precluded it. MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, I just wanted to note we weren't asking about the presence of a third party facilitating a sexual abuse, which is what I understood your Honor's opinion to be -- THE COURT: Well, you're toying with that boundary in a way that was not discussed in the Daubert hearing. You didn't ask that question that you just asked, and we only discussed it. So, for example, it sounds like she's giving an opinion similar to the pimp-prostitute context, that we talked about those cases precisely on this issue. So you're toying with the boundary of what I've precluded in a way that was not brought out during Daubert. MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, I just note that I had actually ran this question by defense counsel to avoid this SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR-00012337",
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      "content": "(At sidebar) THE COURT: This is grooming by third-party involvement. They called it grooming by proxy. It is a specific area that I precluded in my opinion. That was the only -- in the Daubert, the only questions that were asked about whether there might be someone else who receives the sexual gratification was in the context of that precise issue. We talked about it in the context of testimony in the pimp-prostitute context, and it was litigated entirely on that question, and that's where I precluded it. MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, I just wanted to note we weren't asking about the presence of a third party facilitating a sexual abuse, which is what I understood your Honor's opinion to be -- THE COURT: Well, you're toying with that boundary in a way that was not discussed in the Daubert hearing. You didn't ask that question that you just asked, and we only discussed it. So, for example, it sounds like she's giving an opinion similar to the pimp-prostitute context, that we talked about those cases precisely on this issue. So you're toying with the boundary of what I've precluded in a way that was not brought out during Daubert. MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, I just note that I had actually ran this question by defense counsel to avoid this",
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