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  "full_text": "Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 499-2 Filed 11/23/21 Page 119 of 159118\nLBAGmax4 Rocchio - Cross\n1 interest in their professional development. That's not grooming, is it?\n2\n3 A. No.\n4 Q. And the same would be true for grandparents; right? Taking\n5 a positive interest in your grandchildren, taking them to the\n6 zoo, buying them presents, being there for them, reading them\n7 books, having them sit on your lap, none of that would be\n8 considered grooming behavior unless it's for an improper sexual\n9 purpose; correct?\n10 A. Correct.\n11 Q. And the only way that you can back into this grooming\n12 opinion is if you assume that the conduct that's being done is\n13 being done for an improper sexual purpose; correct?\n14 A. Well, it's not an assumption. It's part of the definition.\n15 So if I'm looking at the dynamics of sexual abuse, then of\n16 course I'm looking at the behaviors that occurred in the\n17 context of that relationship.\n18 Q. And it assumes that sexual abuse occurred; correct?\n19 A. No. The definition says that it's for the purposes of\n20 sexual exploitation or abuse, but that could be attempted. It\n21 doesn't necessarily have to have occurred.\n22 Q. So it assumes that it's either attempted sexual abuse or\n23 actual sexual abuse or exploitation; correct?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. And you're not there physically when any of these behaviors\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300\nDOJ-OGR-00007987",
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      "content": "1 interest in their professional development. That's not grooming, is it?\n2\n3 A. No.\n4 Q. And the same would be true for grandparents; right? Taking\n5 a positive interest in your grandchildren, taking them to the\n6 zoo, buying them presents, being there for them, reading them\n7 books, having them sit on your lap, none of that would be\n8 considered grooming behavior unless it's for an improper sexual\n9 purpose; correct?\n10 A. Correct.\n11 Q. And the only way that you can back into this grooming\n12 opinion is if you assume that the conduct that's being done is\n13 being done for an improper sexual purpose; correct?\n14 A. Well, it's not an assumption. It's part of the definition.\n15 So if I'm looking at the dynamics of sexual abuse, then of\n16 course I'm looking at the behaviors that occurred in the\n17 context of that relationship.\n18 Q. And it assumes that sexual abuse occurred; correct?\n19 A. No. The definition says that it's for the purposes of\n20 sexual exploitation or abuse, but that could be attempted. It\n21 doesn't necessarily have to have occurred.\n22 Q. So it assumes that it's either attempted sexual abuse or\n23 actual sexual abuse or exploitation; correct?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. And you're not there physically when any of these behaviors",
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