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  "full_text": "Case 1:20-cr-00338-PAE Document 1616620 Filed 02/24/22 Page 113 of 117 A-5832\n\nC2grdau4 Berke - cross 375\n1 suspended attorney named Catherine Conrad, the same name as\n2 Juror No. 1?\n3 A. I was never in a position where I needed to or had to make\n4 decisions about the investigation. I don't understand that I'm\n5 here as an expert witness. I can tell you as a matter of fact\n6 what I knew, what I was told, the conversations I had, but I\n7 really can't go beyond that, Mr. Okula.\n8 Q. You're not going to answer my question? You've hired\n9 private investigators many times as a lawyer, right?\n10 A. I have.\n11 Q. Are you unwilling to answer the question that I just asked\n12 about what steps you would take if you learned that Catherine\n13 Conrad, a suspended attorney, was in existence and you knew you\n14 had Catherine Conrad sitting in seat number 1? Are you not\n15 going to answer that question?\n16 A. What you are ignoring is it's such a far-fetched idea that\n17 any citizen would come in here and lie to be a juror. I have\n18 never experienced it as a practicing lawyer. It never occurred\n19 to me it happened in this trial, and it's not something I have\n20 ever thought about it. When I've used investigators it's\n21 because I'm defending someone in a criminal case or civil case\n22 and I want to look at facts. You're asking me to speculate and\n23 give opinions about an experience I've never had.\n24 MR. OKULA: Judge, I have no further questions for Mr.\n25 Berke.\nBERKE, SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nDOJ-OGR-00009436",
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